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	<title>Comments on: How to track down a MAC address</title>
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		<title>By: whall</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/06/20/how-to-track-down-a-mac-address/comment-page-1/#comment-49921</link>
		<dc:creator>whall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with 802.1x you&#039;d know the actual port, which as far as I know is as close as you can get to physical location.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with 802.1x you&#8217;d know the actual port, which as far as I know is as close as you can get to physical location.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/06/20/how-to-track-down-a-mac-address/comment-page-1/#comment-49920</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, even if you used the 802.1x you would still need to have the assigned IP address in the ARP table to find the physical location, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, even if you used the 802.1x you would still need to have the assigned IP address in the ARP table to find the physical location, right?</p>
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		<title>By: whall</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/06/20/how-to-track-down-a-mac-address/comment-page-1/#comment-49919</link>
		<dc:creator>whall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George - as long as that IP is in an ARP table somewhere, you can.  However, ARP caches can be as low as 30 seconds or as high as 3 minutes or longer if the router/switch/network device has nothing better to do.

If you have a need to actually determine this kind of info, 802.1x might be for you.  It authenticates the user before giving them access to a specific VLAN or ACL, and logs it.  That way you have definitive correlation of user auth to IP address assignment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George &#8211; as long as that IP is in an ARP table somewhere, you can.  However, ARP caches can be as low as 30 seconds or as high as 3 minutes or longer if the router/switch/network device has nothing better to do.</p>
<p>If you have a need to actually determine this kind of info, 802.1x might be for you.  It authenticates the user before giving them access to a specific VLAN or ACL, and logs it.  That way you have definitive correlation of user auth to IP address assignment.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/06/20/how-to-track-down-a-mac-address/comment-page-1/#comment-49916</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is a pretty useful article. However, I was wondering if you could track down the the physical location of a computer if you had their last used IP address and they disconnected like 10 minutes before you started to attempt to trace it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is a pretty useful article. However, I was wondering if you could track down the the physical location of a computer if you had their last used IP address and they disconnected like 10 minutes before you started to attempt to trace it.</p>
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		<title>By: Poppy</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/06/20/how-to-track-down-a-mac-address/comment-page-1/#comment-28800</link>
		<dc:creator>Poppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, incomplete thoughts.

Starting over.

We force all pages except a select few to nav to NetReg and force them to go through registration using their account and password for (everything else).

For guests they certainly can just plug into jacks in non-NetReg buildings (once NetReg is everywhere that won&#039;t be the case) or they can use our wireless network which requires VPN.  We give out guest VPN accounts but a worker bee has to claim responsibility for the network usage of their guest.

NOT a perfect situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, incomplete thoughts.</p>
<p>Starting over.</p>
<p>We force all pages except a select few to nav to NetReg and force them to go through registration using their account and password for (everything else).</p>
<p>For guests they certainly can just plug into jacks in non-NetReg buildings (once NetReg is everywhere that won&#8217;t be the case) or they can use our wireless network which requires VPN.  We give out guest VPN accounts but a worker bee has to claim responsibility for the network usage of their guest.</p>
<p>NOT a perfect situation.</p>
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		<title>By: whall</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/06/20/how-to-track-down-a-mac-address/comment-page-1/#comment-28799</link>
		<dc:creator>whall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I just mean that it seems to be an imposition on the end users, requiring them to use a browser.  But I could have improperly glanced at the overview of NetReg and maybe that&#039;s not what it&#039;s all about.

And how do you require guests to use VPN?  What do they VPN into?  I would think you&#039;d want guests to just get Internet access, either through a dirty, unsecure network, or a NAT&#039;ed network so at least they get some protection but have no access to inside.

ISP, eh?  Small world :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I just mean that it seems to be an imposition on the end users, requiring them to use a browser.  But I could have improperly glanced at the overview of NetReg and maybe that&#8217;s not what it&#8217;s all about.</p>
<p>And how do you require guests to use VPN?  What do they VPN into?  I would think you&#8217;d want guests to just get Internet access, either through a dirty, unsecure network, or a NAT&#8217;ed network so at least they get some protection but have no access to inside.</p>
<p>ISP, eh?  Small world <img src='http://whall.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Poppy</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/06/20/how-to-track-down-a-mac-address/comment-page-1/#comment-28797</link>
		<dc:creator>Poppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We make guests use VPN.  We make our worker bees use NetReg in many buildings or we use reports to reveal who has logged into our services from a given IP address.

I could have said that in one comment; didn&#039;t. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We make guests use VPN.  We make our worker bees use NetReg in many buildings or we use reports to reveal who has logged into our services from a given IP address.</p>
<p>I could have said that in one comment; didn&#8217;t. <img src='http://whall.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Poppy</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/06/20/how-to-track-down-a-mac-address/comment-page-1/#comment-28796</link>
		<dc:creator>Poppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 16:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Define &quot;smaller network&quot;. We are our own ISP we&#039;re so big.

We have separate subnets, not all are converted over yet because of old wiring in many of our buildings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Define &#8220;smaller network&#8221;. We are our own ISP we&#8217;re so big.</p>
<p>We have separate subnets, not all are converted over yet because of old wiring in many of our buildings.</p>
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		<title>By: whall</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/06/20/how-to-track-down-a-mac-address/comment-page-1/#comment-28792</link>
		<dc:creator>whall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to check out NetReg. (ok, done).  That sounds pretty cool, but it does obviously require the end user to participate in the IP address-assignment phase, and that probably wouldn&#039;t work well for us.  We do use DHCP, tie it to Dynamic DNS, and we have group policies for the Windows boxes that are SUPPOSED to auto-update DNS when it gets an IP, but still, even if we put in decent attempts to verify all of this, I end up not being able to trust the then-assigned DNS name for any given IP.

So NetReg seems to be a good answer for smaller networks, and seems to also give a decent semblance of security, but I would probably argue for 802.1x authentication, which is one of our next projects.  When you have a switch that supports 802.1x, then what happens is you get put into a VLAN based on your authentication, and it can be without the user&#039;s participation.

Everyone know about two-factor authentication?  Here&#039;s the gist: you have three ways to prove you are who you say you are: something you have (like a token), something you know (like a username and password) and something you are (biometric - fingerprint, retinal scan).  Two-factor authentication is when you have 2 of the 3 things.  A smart card with a login is 2 factor.  A SecurID card with a 60-second password, combined with a login is 2 factor.

Now, for sake of argument, imagine a Windows domain and Windows machines in that domain.  When you join the system to the domain, you can have a group policy automatically add a certificate, signed by the domain controller, to the machine.  That&#039;s one form of authentication (something you have; a token).  Then, assume the user is logged into the machine with their username and password.  That would be the second form of authentication (something you know).  Given these two forms, the computer authenticates to the switch, the switch puts them in the appropriate VLAN, and then DHCP server on that segment doles out a specific IP.  

The cool thing here is that if the computer does NOT authenticate, it can be put into an unsecure VLAN, given a different address and maybe given NAT&#039;ed internet access but no internal access.

That way, you can open up all the ports in your campus and not worry as much about physical security - you know, how people visitors might come into your conference rooms and &quot;borrow&quot; a network connection, and all of a sudden get access to internal stuff?  Properly implemented 802.1x massively minimizes that threat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to check out NetReg. (ok, done).  That sounds pretty cool, but it does obviously require the end user to participate in the IP address-assignment phase, and that probably wouldn&#8217;t work well for us.  We do use DHCP, tie it to Dynamic DNS, and we have group policies for the Windows boxes that are SUPPOSED to auto-update DNS when it gets an IP, but still, even if we put in decent attempts to verify all of this, I end up not being able to trust the then-assigned DNS name for any given IP.</p>
<p>So NetReg seems to be a good answer for smaller networks, and seems to also give a decent semblance of security, but I would probably argue for 802.1x authentication, which is one of our next projects.  When you have a switch that supports 802.1x, then what happens is you get put into a VLAN based on your authentication, and it can be without the user&#8217;s participation.</p>
<p>Everyone know about two-factor authentication?  Here&#8217;s the gist: you have three ways to prove you are who you say you are: something you have (like a token), something you know (like a username and password) and something you are (biometric &#8211; fingerprint, retinal scan).  Two-factor authentication is when you have 2 of the 3 things.  A smart card with a login is 2 factor.  A SecurID card with a 60-second password, combined with a login is 2 factor.</p>
<p>Now, for sake of argument, imagine a Windows domain and Windows machines in that domain.  When you join the system to the domain, you can have a group policy automatically add a certificate, signed by the domain controller, to the machine.  That&#8217;s one form of authentication (something you have; a token).  Then, assume the user is logged into the machine with their username and password.  That would be the second form of authentication (something you know).  Given these two forms, the computer authenticates to the switch, the switch puts them in the appropriate VLAN, and then DHCP server on that segment doles out a specific IP.  </p>
<p>The cool thing here is that if the computer does NOT authenticate, it can be put into an unsecure VLAN, given a different address and maybe given NAT&#8217;ed internet access but no internal access.</p>
<p>That way, you can open up all the ports in your campus and not worry as much about physical security &#8211; you know, how people visitors might come into your conference rooms and &#8220;borrow&#8221; a network connection, and all of a sudden get access to internal stuff?  Properly implemented 802.1x massively minimizes that threat.</p>
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		<title>By: Poppy</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/06/20/how-to-track-down-a-mac-address/comment-page-1/#comment-28757</link>
		<dc:creator>Poppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 20:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are way cool.

We use NetReg because we&#039;re lazy.  Register your IPs, stupidasses.  (Not you, them.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are way cool.</p>
<p>We use NetReg because we&#8217;re lazy.  Register your IPs, stupidasses.  (Not you, them.)</p>
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