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	<title>Comments on: Austin Toll Roads do not suck</title>
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		<title>By: Absurdist</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/08/01/austin-toll-roads-do-not-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-42326</link>
		<dc:creator>Absurdist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God, why are we STILL talking about this?  I LOVE my toll roads in Dallas!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, why are we STILL talking about this?  I LOVE my toll roads in Dallas!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/08/01/austin-toll-roads-do-not-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-42325</link>
		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious -- if you don't use the roads, then what difference does it make if they are toll or not?  If your gas taxes pay for them in both cases then I don't see how it makes any difference.

Now, if you did drive in Austin more, and specifically avoided the toll roads, then I could agree that you would have a valid complaint about how your gas taxes are spent. But once you accept the premise that your gas taxes will be spent on roads you do not use, I don't see how it matters (to you) whether those roads are tolled or not.

In principle, I am not opposed to toll roads of a "bypass" nature, but I do agree that they should not be funded via other tax revenue -- or perhaps it is OK to build them from tax revenue but the toll revenue should then pay back the tax expense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious &#8212; if you don&#8217;t use the roads, then what difference does it make if they are toll or not?  If your gas taxes pay for them in both cases then I don&#8217;t see how it makes any difference.</p>
<p>Now, if you did drive in Austin more, and specifically avoided the toll roads, then I could agree that you would have a valid complaint about how your gas taxes are spent. But once you accept the premise that your gas taxes will be spent on roads you do not use, I don&#8217;t see how it matters (to you) whether those roads are tolled or not.</p>
<p>In principle, I am not opposed to toll roads of a &#8220;bypass&#8221; nature, but I do agree that they should not be funded via other tax revenue &#8212; or perhaps it is OK to build them from tax revenue but the toll revenue should then pay back the tax expense.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/08/01/austin-toll-roads-do-not-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-42324</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Don, no offense, but MY gas taxes are paying for your road as well, and frankly, I don't go to Austin much.  Now, when they sell the new roads to the Spanish, it may be different.  But as of now, gas taxes build toll roads.  Gas taxes even built roads that they're now CONVERTING into toll roads.  How's that fair to me if they're not in my area?  Frankly, I'm very glad you get to where you're going faster.  You might try using that extra time you saved to think about what it's costing everyone else to make your life easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Don, no offense, but MY gas taxes are paying for your road as well, and frankly, I don&#8217;t go to Austin much.  Now, when they sell the new roads to the Spanish, it may be different.  But as of now, gas taxes build toll roads.  Gas taxes even built roads that they&#8217;re now CONVERTING into toll roads.  How&#8217;s that fair to me if they&#8217;re not in my area?  Frankly, I&#8217;m very glad you get to where you&#8217;re going faster.  You might try using that extra time you saved to think about what it&#8217;s costing everyone else to make your life easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/08/01/austin-toll-roads-do-not-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-42323</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want to know where your money went?  Ask Ricky Perry and Jerry Jones.  Gas tax revenue was pledged for stadium bonds so Jerry Jones can make more money.  They're BOTH crooks.  If you voted for the stadium (in Dallas) you're part of the problem.  However, since most of us aren't anywhere NEAR Dallas, out tax dollars are NEVER going to benefit us, ergo we must pay toll roads.  Texas roads and bridges are collapsing and we build Jerry Jones a new stadium.  Fanflippingtastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to know where your money went?  Ask Ricky Perry and Jerry Jones.  Gas tax revenue was pledged for stadium bonds so Jerry Jones can make more money.  They&#8217;re BOTH crooks.  If you voted for the stadium (in Dallas) you&#8217;re part of the problem.  However, since most of us aren&#8217;t anywhere NEAR Dallas, out tax dollars are NEVER going to benefit us, ergo we must pay toll roads.  Texas roads and bridges are collapsing and we build Jerry Jones a new stadium.  Fanflippingtastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Michaels</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/08/01/austin-toll-roads-do-not-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-34733</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about this don't people get. FIgure it out.. spend two billion and put toll roads all around and in Austin. Collect hundreds of billions in TAX REVENUE over the next  50-100 years, no accountability as to were all this money is going. Collect trillions over the next two hundred years from our children and grand children. NO ACCOUTABLILITY AS TO WHERE ALL THIS MONEY IS GOING. No say in what the toll rates will be.. they will only go up and up and up. Taxation without representation, no accountability, bonds were already issued to build these roads so it is a DOUBLE TAX. Oh yea, forgot you get somewhere faster now.. thats a good reason to sell out this and future generations of Texans. These toll roads are a scam anyway you look at it. I'm not just calling you stupid, I'm calling every Texan out there stupid for letting this corrupt Govenor sell them out, their children out, their great grand children out etc etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about this don&#8217;t people get. FIgure it out.. spend two billion and put toll roads all around and in Austin. Collect hundreds of billions in TAX REVENUE over the next  50-100 years, no accountability as to were all this money is going. Collect trillions over the next two hundred years from our children and grand children. NO ACCOUTABLILITY AS TO WHERE ALL THIS MONEY IS GOING. No say in what the toll rates will be.. they will only go up and up and up. Taxation without representation, no accountability, bonds were already issued to build these roads so it is a DOUBLE TAX. Oh yea, forgot you get somewhere faster now.. thats a good reason to sell out this and future generations of Texans. These toll roads are a scam anyway you look at it. I&#8217;m not just calling you stupid, I&#8217;m calling every Texan out there stupid for letting this corrupt Govenor sell them out, their children out, their great grand children out etc etc</p>
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		<title>By: whall</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/08/01/austin-toll-roads-do-not-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-32760</link>
		<dc:creator>whall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;Don&lt;/b&gt;, first of all, thanx for visiting my blog.

Second, please refrain from calling me an idiot if you want to have even a slightly higher-than-juvenile debate.  Last I checked, name-calling isn't high on the 'I really have a good point to make' list of good tactics for convincing others.

I think you should look up the word 'scam'.  I'm getting a completely elective new service, that is worth what I'm paying.  I can choose not to participate.  As far as I know, the roads are new, but I clearly haven't done as much research as you have.

Toll 45 seems brand new to me and means I don't have to sit and wait on 620.

Toll 183A seems brand new to me and means I don't have to go through the 20 stoplights on 183 from 620 to 2243 in Leander.

Toll 1 seems brand new to me and means I don't have to sit and wait between Parmer and I-35.

If I'm too cheap or emotional or politically outraged to take the toll roads, the roads I *do* take have less people than they would have otherwise.

Now, without spouting negative adjectives, can you help me understand, with facts, what I'm missing.

Good examples: (blahblah road is not new) or (we lost $x gov't funding and put it in this other place and goes into X person's pockets) or (I have this here memo showing how Perry said let's scam Texans)

Bad examples: (Perry is crap) or (you are an idiot) or (everyone knows it's a scam) or (only a complete moron believes X) or (are you so stupid that you can't see X)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Don</b>, first of all, thanx for visiting my blog.</p>
<p>Second, please refrain from calling me an idiot if you want to have even a slightly higher-than-juvenile debate.  Last I checked, name-calling isn&#8217;t high on the &#8216;I really have a good point to make&#8217; list of good tactics for convincing others.</p>
<p>I think you should look up the word &#8217;scam&#8217;.  I&#8217;m getting a completely elective new service, that is worth what I&#8217;m paying.  I can choose not to participate.  As far as I know, the roads are new, but I clearly haven&#8217;t done as much research as you have.</p>
<p>Toll 45 seems brand new to me and means I don&#8217;t have to sit and wait on 620.</p>
<p>Toll 183A seems brand new to me and means I don&#8217;t have to go through the 20 stoplights on 183 from 620 to 2243 in Leander.</p>
<p>Toll 1 seems brand new to me and means I don&#8217;t have to sit and wait between Parmer and I-35.</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m too cheap or emotional or politically outraged to take the toll roads, the roads I *do* take have less people than they would have otherwise.</p>
<p>Now, without spouting negative adjectives, can you help me understand, with facts, what I&#8217;m missing.</p>
<p>Good examples: (blahblah road is not new) or (we lost $x gov&#8217;t funding and put it in this other place and goes into X person&#8217;s pockets) or (I have this here memo showing how Perry said let&#8217;s scam Texans)</p>
<p>Bad examples: (Perry is crap) or (you are an idiot) or (everyone knows it&#8217;s a scam) or (only a complete moron believes X) or (are you so stupid that you can&#8217;t see X)</p>
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		<title>By: Absurdist</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/08/01/austin-toll-roads-do-not-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-32759</link>
		<dc:creator>Absurdist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's amazing what kind of nuts crawl out of the woodwork from time to time.  I love it when people show their stupidity.  Just another representation of how shallow the water in the gene pool has become.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing what kind of nuts crawl out of the woodwork from time to time.  I love it when people show their stupidity.  Just another representation of how shallow the water in the gene pool has become.</p>
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		<title>By: don Michaels</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/08/01/austin-toll-roads-do-not-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-32756</link>
		<dc:creator>don Michaels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you kidding me??? These toll(excuse me tax roads) are a complete scam!! Idiots do you not see that selling off Texas roads to private interests is political corruption of the first degree?? You are now being taxed by FOR PROFIT companies!!! Does not this disturb you idiot!! Its called TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!! WHY ARE PEOPLE SOOOOOO STUPID to allow this complete fraud to accur?? Rick Perry and his bought and paid for croneys should be thrown out of OFFICE. People are just to stupid to see what is going on here!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you kidding me??? These toll(excuse me tax roads) are a complete scam!! Idiots do you not see that selling off Texas roads to private interests is political corruption of the first degree?? You are now being taxed by FOR PROFIT companies!!! Does not this disturb you idiot!! Its called TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!! WHY ARE PEOPLE SOOOOOO STUPID to allow this complete fraud to accur?? Rick Perry and his bought and paid for croneys should be thrown out of OFFICE. People are just to stupid to see what is going on here!!</p>
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		<title>By: whall</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/08/01/austin-toll-roads-do-not-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-30471</link>
		<dc:creator>whall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Sal&lt;/b&gt;, hey, I heard you on &lt;a href=http://590klbj.com rel="nofollow"&gt;the radio&lt;/a&gt; this morning!  I was confused a little about how you didn't mention my blog...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Sal</b>, hey, I heard you on <a href=http://590klbj.com rel="nofollow">the radio</a> this morning!  I was confused a little about how you didn&#8217;t mention my blog&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: whall</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2007/08/01/austin-toll-roads-do-not-suck/comment-page-1/#comment-30401</link>
		<dc:creator>whall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 18:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and to me, the biggest unaccountable taxation scheme is the IRS, federal tax, and withholding.  That's why I support &lt;a href=http://fairtax.org rel="nofollow"&gt;the Fair Tax&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and to me, the biggest unaccountable taxation scheme is the IRS, federal tax, and withholding.  That&#8217;s why I support <a href=http://fairtax.org rel="nofollow">the Fair Tax</a>.</p>
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