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		<title>By: whall</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2008/02/27/fairness-in-voting-and-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-43168</link>
		<dc:creator>whall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Christine&lt;/b&gt;, thanx for the concern!

&lt;b&gt;Dave2&lt;/b&gt; I didn&#039;t think to Google it first to see if someone had done the math already, but you&#039;re right. And one of them has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://realdebatewisconsin.blogspot.com/2008/02/do-math-senator-obama.html&quot; title=&quot;do the math, senator&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;convenient link to 666&lt;/a&gt;, which is neat.  At least I was glad to find my ~$600m figure to be referenced elsewhere, although by a different method.

&lt;b&gt;Hilly&lt;/b&gt;, yup, that&#039;s a good way to put it.  Although it might be the strategically advantageous thing to do, it still feels underhanded and I can&#039;t go for underhanded.

&lt;b&gt;Ren&lt;/b&gt;, heh, I read some of the link and I like how he sais &quot;I don&#039;t know how he plans to fix that, maybe make minimum wage $1,000 and hour or a federally mandated salary cap?&quot;  And the 7 out of 8 of richest CEO&#039;s donating Democratically ought to tell you something.  This whole class envy still has me defensive.  I liked it when &lt;a href=&quot;http://snltranscripts.jt.org/91/91sperot.phtml&quot; title=&quot;snl parody&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SNL did a parody of Ross Perot&#039;s presidential bid&lt;/a&gt; where Dana Carvey basically said if he brings up the economy 3%, that&#039;s $120 billion growth and he gets a billion dollars.

&lt;b&gt;Poppy&lt;/b&gt;, Sorry I failed you on the completely dedicated part.  It was only somewhat dedicated, but I did do some custom artwork!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Christine</b>, thanx for the concern!</p>
<p><b>Dave2</b> I didn&#8217;t think to Google it first to see if someone had done the math already, but you&#8217;re right. And one of them has a <a href="http://realdebatewisconsin.blogspot.com/2008/02/do-math-senator-obama.html" title="do the math, senator" >convenient link to 666</a>, which is neat.  At least I was glad to find my ~$600m figure to be referenced elsewhere, although by a different method.</p>
<p><b>Hilly</b>, yup, that&#8217;s a good way to put it.  Although it might be the strategically advantageous thing to do, it still feels underhanded and I can&#8217;t go for underhanded.</p>
<p><b>Ren</b>, heh, I read some of the link and I like how he sais &#8220;I don&#8217;t know how he plans to fix that, maybe make minimum wage $1,000 and hour or a federally mandated salary cap?&#8221;  And the 7 out of 8 of richest CEO&#8217;s donating Democratically ought to tell you something.  This whole class envy still has me defensive.  I liked it when <a href="http://snltranscripts.jt.org/91/91sperot.phtml" title="snl parody" >SNL did a parody of Ross Perot&#8217;s presidential bid</a> where Dana Carvey basically said if he brings up the economy 3%, that&#8217;s $120 billion growth and he gets a billion dollars.</p>
<p><b>Poppy</b>, Sorry I failed you on the completely dedicated part.  It was only somewhat dedicated, but I did do some custom artwork!</p>
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		<title>By: Poppy</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2008/02/27/fairness-in-voting-and-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-43101</link>
		<dc:creator>Poppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I am not a class enviest.

You should vote for whoever you think you should vote for, not for whoever I think you should vote for, because I have my own vote for that.

Your next post better be completely dedicated to the GH tourney!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I am not a class enviest.</p>
<p>You should vote for whoever you think you should vote for, not for whoever I think you should vote for, because I have my own vote for that.</p>
<p>Your next post better be completely dedicated to the GH tourney!</p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2008/02/27/fairness-in-voting-and-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-43100</link>
		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to http://warrenzevon.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1203953033 - there are only 8 CEOs in the US that earn that much (when compared to minimum wage) and 7 of them donate to Democrats and 4 of those donate to Obama.

Regarding your voting strategy question, I&#039;m not sure it seems worth the risk. Note that I voted in the Democratic primary despite the fact that I am not likely to vote Democratic in the actual election. As you said, voting in the Republican primary seemed fairly useless, so I figured I might as well express my opinion among the Democratic candidates. I did not, however, do so strategically, as you suggest. Rather, I just selected the candidate I favored among the reasonable choices. (I&#039;m not very likely to vote Republican in the actual election either, by the way.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to <a href="http://warrenzevon.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1203953033" >http://warrenzevon.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1203953033</a> &#8211; there are only 8 CEOs in the US that earn that much (when compared to minimum wage) and 7 of them donate to Democrats and 4 of those donate to Obama.</p>
<p>Regarding your voting strategy question, I&#8217;m not sure it seems worth the risk. Note that I voted in the Democratic primary despite the fact that I am not likely to vote Democratic in the actual election. As you said, voting in the Republican primary seemed fairly useless, so I figured I might as well express my opinion among the Democratic candidates. I did not, however, do so strategically, as you suggest. Rather, I just selected the candidate I favored among the reasonable choices. (I&#8217;m not very likely to vote Republican in the actual election either, by the way.)</p>
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		<title>By: Hilly</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2008/02/27/fairness-in-voting-and-advertising/comment-page-1/#comment-43099</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I have to say about this is that voting in the primaries for the person you think is the least likely to win is kind of like winning a race against the kid you kicked to the floor before the gun went off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I have to say about this is that voting in the primaries for the person you think is the least likely to win is kind of like winning a race against the kid you kicked to the floor before the gun went off.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re asking us? This is a question for Karl Rove. When it comes to underhanded tactics in Republican politics, he&#039;s your man!

Obama&#039;s &quot;10-minute math&quot; has been calculated up hundreds of times (literally... do a Google search!). Personally, I don&#039;t have a problem with it, because a top CEO has income far exceeding their published salary alone, and a huge chunk of the population lives under the poverty line, so numbers could be made to say anything. What I DO have a problem with is his distinguishing CEOs from other very wealthy people, as you noted. In this respect, he&#039;s kind of hypocritical... but not towards Oprah, who is CEO of Harpo Productions. Slamming one of his biggest supporters is pretty ballsy, but what does she care? She&#039;s obscenely wealthy!

Of course if Obama were promoting ACTUAL &quot;class envy&quot; he wouldn&#039;t restrict his reach to just CEOs... he&#039;d be rallying against ALL of the wealthy. As it is, he&#039;s just trying to illustrate how CEOs get their wealth at the expense of the people working for them (I make 500 million, but my employees can&#039;t afford to go to the doctor!). I may not entirely agree with this, but it does resonate with voters, and that&#039;s all ANY politician ultimately cares about.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re asking us? This is a question for Karl Rove. When it comes to underhanded tactics in Republican politics, he&#8217;s your man!</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s &#8220;10-minute math&#8221; has been calculated up hundreds of times (literally&#8230; do a Google search!). Personally, I don&#8217;t have a problem with it, because a top CEO has income far exceeding their published salary alone, and a huge chunk of the population lives under the poverty line, so numbers could be made to say anything. What I DO have a problem with is his distinguishing CEOs from other very wealthy people, as you noted. In this respect, he&#8217;s kind of hypocritical&#8230; but not towards Oprah, who is CEO of Harpo Productions. Slamming one of his biggest supporters is pretty ballsy, but what does she care? She&#8217;s obscenely wealthy!</p>
<p>Of course if Obama were promoting ACTUAL &#8220;class envy&#8221; he wouldn&#8217;t restrict his reach to just CEOs&#8230; he&#8217;d be rallying against ALL of the wealthy. As it is, he&#8217;s just trying to illustrate how CEOs get their wealth at the expense of the people working for them (I make 500 million, but my employees can&#8217;t afford to go to the doctor!). I may not entirely agree with this, but it does resonate with voters, and that&#8217;s all ANY politician ultimately cares about.  <img src='http://whall.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good Luck with your inner struggles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Luck with your inner struggles.</p>
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