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	<title>Comments on: Failure should hurt</title>
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		<title>By: Ginger</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2009/10/12/failure-should-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-50409</link>
		<dc:creator>Ginger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 01:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  I believe we each must strive to find the balance between compassion and allowing for the harsh reality of consequences to prevail.  

On a personal note, I am thankful that the government &quot;handouts&quot; were around during my temporary time of need.  Not all of us are trying to take advantage.
.-= Ginger&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://gingersnaps.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/feel-good-friday-to-the-moon/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feel Good Friday: To The Moon!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  I believe we each must strive to find the balance between compassion and allowing for the harsh reality of consequences to prevail.  </p>
<p>On a personal note, I am thankful that the government &#8220;handouts&#8221; were around during my temporary time of need.  Not all of us are trying to take advantage.<br />
.-= Ginger&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://gingersnaps.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/feel-good-friday-to-the-moon/" >Feel Good Friday: To The Moon!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Faiqa</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2009/10/12/failure-should-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-50405</link>
		<dc:creator>Faiqa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because something works in nature doesn&#039;t mean it works on a social and institutional level.  Did you know that male bears will eat their young if they&#039;re hungry enough?  

I do agree with your point about &quot;collective mediocrity,&quot; though.  Because, you know, I&#039;m a *winner*. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because something works in nature doesn&#8217;t mean it works on a social and institutional level.  Did you know that male bears will eat their young if they&#8217;re hungry enough?  </p>
<p>I do agree with your point about &#8220;collective mediocrity,&#8221; though.  Because, you know, I&#8217;m a *winner*. <img src='http://whall.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2009/10/12/failure-should-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-50388</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with a lot of this.
.-= Robin&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lifeisnotamovie.net/2009/10/14/i-am-me/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I Am Me&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with a lot of this.<br />
.-= Robin&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.lifeisnotamovie.net/2009/10/14/i-am-me/" >I Am Me</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: martymankins</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2009/10/12/failure-should-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-50383</link>
		<dc:creator>martymankins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s from the times we fail that it drives us to be better.

I think we may actually be on the same page with some things here.  I was ready for General Motors to go under.  It wasn&#039;t the taxpayers fault that they were broke and out of money.  No lesson was learned on that, IMO.
.-= martymankins&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.banalleakage.com/2009/10/12/iphone-monopoly/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;iPhone Monopoly&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s from the times we fail that it drives us to be better.</p>
<p>I think we may actually be on the same page with some things here.  I was ready for General Motors to go under.  It wasn&#8217;t the taxpayers fault that they were broke and out of money.  No lesson was learned on that, IMO.<br />
.-= martymankins&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.banalleakage.com/2009/10/12/iphone-monopoly/" >iPhone Monopoly</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Avitable</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2009/10/12/failure-should-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-50379</link>
		<dc:creator>Avitable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pfft, how can I take anything you say seriously when you can&#039;t even use the right version of &quot;its&quot;?
.-= Avitable&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/avitable/~3/FBOWfGMQyIM/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Office Wedding Dance&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pfft, how can I take anything you say seriously when you can&#8217;t even use the right version of &#8220;its&#8221;?<br />
.-= Avitable&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/avitable/~3/FBOWfGMQyIM/" >The Office Wedding Dance</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilly</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2009/10/12/failure-should-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-50378</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that we take compassion too far at times and do not make offenders suffer the consequences of their actions, the rest I&#039;m not so sure about.  I&#039;m way more of a hippie dippie though so that stands to reason.

I think that Affirmative Action is important because this country is still rife with racism in some parts, even though we&#039;d like to think otherwise.  I think that welfare and free indigent health care are important because, as Finn said, a child cannot help themselves nor can they help the predicament in which their parents put them.  I don&#039;t think participation awards can squash the natural drive of any student yet can definitely make someone who may never win anything feel a little better about themselves.

There&#039;s not a lot of kindness attached to &quot;natural selection&quot; and while I don&#039;t believe in coddling and fostering an attitude that people don&#039;t have to take care of themselves or be responsible for their actions, I do believe that the world needs a helluva lot more compassion, even in politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that we take compassion too far at times and do not make offenders suffer the consequences of their actions, the rest I&#8217;m not so sure about.  I&#8217;m way more of a hippie dippie though so that stands to reason.</p>
<p>I think that Affirmative Action is important because this country is still rife with racism in some parts, even though we&#8217;d like to think otherwise.  I think that welfare and free indigent health care are important because, as Finn said, a child cannot help themselves nor can they help the predicament in which their parents put them.  I don&#8217;t think participation awards can squash the natural drive of any student yet can definitely make someone who may never win anything feel a little better about themselves.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s not a lot of kindness attached to &#8220;natural selection&#8221; and while I don&#8217;t believe in coddling and fostering an attitude that people don&#8217;t have to take care of themselves or be responsible for their actions, I do believe that the world needs a helluva lot more compassion, even in politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Sybil Law</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2009/10/12/failure-should-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-50377</link>
		<dc:creator>Sybil Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you on so many levels (esp. with how kids are being raised and sports teams, etc.), but I adhere to a more Jesus -like philosophy, and I am pretty sure I don&#039;t need quotes here to tell you what those are.
Also, I think the more fortunate you are, the more you should give back.
I really need to stop now. :)
.-= Sybil Law&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://sybillaw-sybilcrankypants.blogspot.com/2009/10/fof.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FOF&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you on so many levels (esp. with how kids are being raised and sports teams, etc.), but I adhere to a more Jesus -like philosophy, and I am pretty sure I don&#8217;t need quotes here to tell you what those are.<br />
Also, I think the more fortunate you are, the more you should give back.<br />
I really need to stop now. <img src='http://whall.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
.-= Sybil Law&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://sybillaw-sybilcrankypants.blogspot.com/2009/10/fof.html" >FOF</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2009/10/12/failure-should-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-50375</link>
		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel I must point out that even in the parable you quoted, they take excess from the bees, without relying on the bees&#039; charity. And if you asked the bees, I doubt they would feel like they were greedy hoarders....
.-= Ren&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://renagerie.com/2009/10/12/macro-monday-31/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Macro Monday #31&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel I must point out that even in the parable you quoted, they take excess from the bees, without relying on the bees&#8217; charity. And if you asked the bees, I doubt they would feel like they were greedy hoarders&#8230;.<br />
.-= Ren&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://renagerie.com/2009/10/12/macro-monday-31/" >Macro Monday #31</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: marilyn</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2009/10/12/failure-should-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-50374</link>
		<dc:creator>marilyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As is generally the case, we agree on things at a basic level and disagree about particulars. 

All that said, it is good to remember that social animals like humans evolved compassion (including looking out for the weak) as a survival mechanism.

There should be winners and losers and losing should be painful but I&#039;m not sure that somebody who&#039;s never lost should be allowed to arbitrarily decide the level of pain for those who loose. All those who can&#039;t afford health care should die? No. All those who can&#039;t afford health care should not be able to go to the doctor for a common cold or order unnecessary tests or get treatments that aren&#039;t absolutely necessary? Yes. Now, who decides what&#039;s unnecessary and how do we create a system that does have the kind of winners and losers that you want without regularly sentencing the poor to death or severe debilitation? That seems to be the problem.

What we have is broken and keeping it is not an option even if there is a segment of the population that likes it broken.
.-= marilyn&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://eclectichuman.blogspot.com/2009/10/yay.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Yay!&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As is generally the case, we agree on things at a basic level and disagree about particulars. </p>
<p>All that said, it is good to remember that social animals like humans evolved compassion (including looking out for the weak) as a survival mechanism.</p>
<p>There should be winners and losers and losing should be painful but I&#8217;m not sure that somebody who&#8217;s never lost should be allowed to arbitrarily decide the level of pain for those who loose. All those who can&#8217;t afford health care should die? No. All those who can&#8217;t afford health care should not be able to go to the doctor for a common cold or order unnecessary tests or get treatments that aren&#8217;t absolutely necessary? Yes. Now, who decides what&#8217;s unnecessary and how do we create a system that does have the kind of winners and losers that you want without regularly sentencing the poor to death or severe debilitation? That seems to be the problem.</p>
<p>What we have is broken and keeping it is not an option even if there is a segment of the population that likes it broken.<br />
.-= marilyn&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://eclectichuman.blogspot.com/2009/10/yay.html" >Yay!</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Finn</title>
		<link>http://whall.org/blog/2009/10/12/failure-should-hurt/comment-page-1/#comment-50373</link>
		<dc:creator>Finn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with the majority of what you&#039;re saying, I feel compelled to point out that the government shouldn&#039;t let babies die because their parents can&#039;t feed them. That being said, anything we do to help those people should help them out of poverty, not trap them in it.

The problem I have with letting people pay taxes at the end of the month/year is that there are many stupid people out there that cannot manage their bills as it is. The government would spend a lot more time and money chasing these fools who spent all of their earnings rather than putting it aside for taxes. Then where would we be?
.-= Finn&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://grrlathr.com/2009/10/09/to-be-or-not-to-be/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;To Be Or Not To Be&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with the majority of what you&#8217;re saying, I feel compelled to point out that the government shouldn&#8217;t let babies die because their parents can&#8217;t feed them. That being said, anything we do to help those people should help them out of poverty, not trap them in it.</p>
<p>The problem I have with letting people pay taxes at the end of the month/year is that there are many stupid people out there that cannot manage their bills as it is. The government would spend a lot more time and money chasing these fools who spent all of their earnings rather than putting it aside for taxes. Then where would we be?<br />
.-= Finn&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://grrlathr.com/2009/10/09/to-be-or-not-to-be/" >To Be Or Not To Be</a> =-.</p>
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